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So Logano and Hamlin get to keep a win and the prize money after they won races with cars that failed post race inspection but Kennseth gets booted because he had one too many men over the wall. And Nascar wonders why people don't consider them a legit professional sport.

Lots of empty seats again today.


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NASCAR is a joke. The entire concept of "an extra man if...." is one of the things that make it a joke.

National Association of Stupid Clowns Arbitrary Rulings is what it's become.

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Maybe because they broke a rule.... one which they knew about because the crew chief said they knew it.... So you see, it isn't NASCAR's inconsistency, it appears to you yours.... :mrgreen:

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To me a more legit complain would be 78 being penalized on the restart and not the 4 when they both did the same thing...

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Maybe because they broke a rule.... one which they knew about because the crew chief said they knew it.... So you see, it isn't NASCAR's inconsistency, it appears to you yours.... :mrgreen:


I'm trying to only respond to posts that make sense, so......

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To me a more legit complain would be 78 being penalized on the restart and not the 4 when they both did the same thing...



We'll, they both knew about the rule so blah blah blah :sar:

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The seven-time champion moved into the Round of 8 despite spinning twice in the space of five laps late in the race. But Johnson was the prime beneficiary when NASCAR parked Kenseth, after a massive wreck on Lap 198, for a violation of the damaged vehicle policy, specifically having too many crewmen over the wall to work on the car on pit road.

Johnson is stroking. And they're not nearly as good as a few others that are left. Just like last year. And he tied Dale and Richard. Look for him to get number eight this year. And look for NASCAR to be right there manipulating the race towards the end.

They'll find a way to screw Truex, Jr. out of the title.

And I fully expect this opinion to not be understood in it's overall context :wave:

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I'm done. NASCAR has managed to ruin a great sport. I'm a lifelong fan of racing, but this has just done it for me. And before anyone can say it, NASCAR isn't really about racing any more. I can't just "tune in and enjoy the sport" because this group has taken the fun out of it. Yesterday's non-penalty to Harvick was bad enough, but to take Kenseth off the track and completely out of the running for the championship was a complete joke (and I'm not much of a Kenseth fan but that was so wrong). I can't even begin to comprehend the "points as they run now" and who gets how many points for finishing stages, and who gets kicked out and how the rest falls into place. It used to be so easy to calculate points at the end of each race without a spreadsheet. This blows.

Congrats to Martin. I hope he can win the whole thing, but I'm not planning to tune in to find out.

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Kyle Larson, long considered a lock to advance to the Round of 8 in the Monster Energy NASCAR Cup Series Playoff, stood in the garage with a dazed look on his face. For the first time in 139 Cup events with Chip Ganassi Racing, Larson had blown an engine. Sixty laps into Sunday's Hollywood Casino 400 at Kansas, Larson dropped a cylinder in the engine of his No. 42 Chevrolet.

Welcome to NASCAR, son.



Oh, and for sportsgal. Yeah. All of that. And it sucks. All the things that used to be fun, they've taken the fun out of all of it. In the name of "progress". Or whatever the hell other modern psycho-babble terminology passes for acceptance these days :annoy:

So Harvick (who I have always liked) doesn't get a penalty but Truex, Jr. does? And I'm colored a skeptic or a cynic (and probably some unprintable things :wave: ) because I'm suggesting that NASCAR wants Johnson to get number 8.

The France Family kids remind me of the Murdoch kids over at FNC. They love the success, but they hate how they got there so they're going to remake the sport in an image more palatable to them. These people "hate" NASCAR's roots. Probably more embarrassed about it than anything else. That's what political correctness does. I don't believe the Left have them some feelers into NASCAR yet, but they don't really need to. Those France kids and grandkids are soaking up the success by standing on the shoulders of men who were much greater then they can ever hope to be.

But those men, and they are plenty, are embarrassments to their more modern, hipster 21st century sensibilities. I keep reminding myself that NASCAR's 21st century was inaugurated with the death of it's greatest driver.

NASCAR never looked back. A lot more than Dale died that day. I knew it in my heart, I felt it. Maybe because I was a fan. But man, when time proves your "wild-assed" assertions correct....

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This will bring them back

Not sure whether this is an essay, advice or a post-mortem or maybe parts of all three.

Good read though.

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sportsgal wrote:
I can't even begin to comprehend the "points as they run now" and who gets how many points for finishing stages, and who gets kicked out and how the rest falls into place. It used to be so easy to calculate points at the end of each race without a spreadsheet. This blows.
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I couldn't agree more. I thought the whole idea was to get away from points racing and now the points system is so complicated they have to explain it to the viewers constantly and it appears many of the drivers can't figure it out.

The more they try to make it exciting the less interest I have in watching.


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Whine whine whine whine whine.... damn good race, Kenseth's crew screwed up and NASCAR followed the rules... Larson lost more then a cylinder, he was killing mosquitos by the billions.... Why do you worry about points? First, they are on the screen to the left almost all the time, easy to read and see whos where if you care.... all I cared about is that Kyle got enough to get in, other then that, don't care, the racing is awesome... when it comes to the last night, four cars out there running for the championship, winner (of those four) takes all... what the hell is so hard to understand? :dunno: If you don't understand that, you don't want to understand it.....

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More and more people are understanding what a joke NASCAR is.

4 running for the championship winner take all?

Why not 36 running 1 race for the championship, winner take all? 8 times more exciting.

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I feel like playing a game of make believe.

Let's pretend that the Patriots and Packers are the two teams that make it to Super Bowl LII. And that Justin Timberlake is the entertainment.

When the game kicks off next February, I want to see the Dolphins, Bills, Bears, Jets, Steelers, Cowgirls and Texas A&M all on the field trying to get the win, even though they're not eligible for the trophy.

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More and more people are understanding what a joke NASCAR is.

4 running for the championship winner take all?

Why not 36 running 1 race for the championship, winner take all? 8 times more exciting.



They did, they all had an equal chance starting at Daytona..... don't like it, don't watch... see how easily solved that is? :roll:

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More and more people are understanding what a joke NASCAR is.

4 running for the championship winner take all?

Why not 36 running 1 race for the championship, winner take all? 8 times more exciting.



They did, they all had an equal chance starting at Daytona..... don't like it, don't watch... see how easily solved that is? :roll:



He doesn't watch dood. Geez, how many times he got to tell you that? :wave:

We're going to watch Homestead. If we lived closer, we would probably consider going just to see Dale Earnhardt, Jr. one more time on the track, and to listen to him one more time on the scanner. But, four more races to go, and there will be no Earnhardt in NASCAR. Do not discount the impact that is going to have. His father meant a lot more to the sport than most of these turkeys involved today can fathom. But, Dale Earnhardt Jr's retirement is just, maybe, the final nail in the coffin. It's not the tipping point event that pushes NASCAR over the edge. NASCAR done took that plunge years ago.

It's funny how falling feels like flying. For a little while.

We will probably watch the Daytona 500 next year. Tradition and there's a special feeling about February in this household since NASCAR came into our lives a quarter of a century ago. And to reminisce about old friends that we met through NASCAR, but are no longer with us. But February fades into March and the special feeling fades fast these days, especially over the last few years. Just as the touch and presence of those old friends fades slowly into the whispers of the past.

You have no idea how this makes some of us feel, those of us who have put a significant part of our lives into supporting and defending and promoting this sport to people who were stick and ball types. Who told many people.... Hey, you have no idea how fast these guys are going. You gotta go to a race sometime. You just need to go and check it out. What these guys do at those speeds is spectacular and dangerous and they're so damn good at it.

I promoted this sport. To my kids, my family, my friends, with my money and my time and... yes... corny as it may sound.... my heart.

NASCAR took that and done pissed all over it. And that is sad and that sucks. There was a time that I could never envision growing tired of NASCAR. That I knew I would just be with it for life. Now I can see the end right in front of me. I'm pretty positive that I'm not alone in that boat, that there are a lot of other people - within their own lives and for their own reasons - that feel exactly like I do.

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There was a time that I could never envision growing tired of NASCAR. That I knew I would just be with it for life. Now I can see the end right in front of me.


Prior to this year I've watched every televised race since the late 80's except for when we were camping at the lake during the summer. This year I watched the first 26 and I started to watch the first race of the "playoffs". After about 30 laps I realised I don't care who wins so I turned it off. I never watched again until Talladega and I watched last weekend. I doubt I'll watch another one until Homestead. It used to be about who got to the finish line on the last lap first. It's not all Nascar's fault, the teams have pushed the limit in every aspect of the rules to the point they need to be watched under a microscope. Regardless of the reasons for the change the end result is I'll check who wins for the balance of this year and probably call it a day after that.


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I'll maybe watch the Daytona 500, just because.

Firecracker 500 , nah.

Bristol, nah.

I would have watched the Southern 500 before they castrated it with the California Dreaming. Yeah, I know it's back at The Lady in Black. No, I no longer care.

Indy, nah.

As for the rest, nah.

They killed the golden goose.

And make no mistake, with Jr gone next year...it's going to be bad. Getting to see him race one last time is propping up attendance now.


But, don't worry Duane. Shortly, you'll be not watching too.

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OK, the way I see it, they have lost three viewers that didn't watch it anyway.... I think they'll survive.... :crackup:

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There was a time that I could never envision growing tired of NASCAR. That I knew I would just be with it for life. Now I can see the end right in front of me.


Prior to this year I've watched every televised race since the late 80's except for when we were camping at the lake during the summer. This year I watched the first 26 and I started to watch the first race of the "playoffs". After about 30 laps I realised I don't care who wins so I turned it off. I never watched again until Talladega and I watched last weekend. I doubt I'll watch another one until Homestead. It used to be about who got to the finish line on the last lap first. It's not all Nascar's fault, the teams have pushed the limit in every aspect of the rules to the point they need to be watched under a microscope. Regardless of the reasons for the change the end result is I'll check who wins for the balance of this year and probably call it a day after that.


Since the 1994 Daytona 500 (we were at that race) every race that followed when we were not actually at that race was tuned in on our television. If we were not at home, we found a way to watch the races. It wasn't hard but it required some creativity and yes.... planning proper vacations so we would not miss the races. We were that into it. Some vacations were done around a race weekend. Oh my, those times were pretty good :D

We formed a league in 1996 that lasted through Homestead last year. It was a remarkable run among a group of friends that brought us together for fellowship, food and racing. I've got the signatures of everybody who participated in that league on a shelf attachment on the desk this PC I'm using sets on. Got racing decals on it. Some off the cuff, some season ticket decals from Bristol.

Some of those people whose signatures I have, are gone now.

My first race was the 1988 Daytona 500, but for the next six years, for reasons I won't get into, NASCAR didn't catch the way it did in 1994. But it was on my radar for those six years, where it had not been before. And as I've stated, the only real regret I have about my NASCAR experience is that I didn't catch on in the early 80's and follow Big E throughout those years.

Nah, we breathed and lived NASCAR in this household. You ought to see my Fathead wall. It's a shrine to Earnhardt. Scared the shit out of my wife when she found out how I used the ladder to get the seven foot long 3 car up there :crackup: :D

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OK, the way I see it, they have lost three viewers that didn't watch it anyway.... I think they'll survive.... :crackup:


Seems like they've lost more than 3 viewers looking at the ratings and stands.

Survive? Yeah. Thrive has left the building though.

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I remember hearing the crew chief saying they know about the seventh man over the wall when on the five minute clock, i think Johnson tell that seventh man to jump over wall, when we hate a driver he could be in Ny and something happen Calif and it is fault. i hope he stay lucky and win, because all on hear keep saying he is only lucky and can't drive, i wish i can luck into the powerball numbers.

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I remember hearing the crew chief saying they know about the seventh man over the wall when on the five minute clock, i think Johnson tell that seventh man to jump over wall, when we hate a driver he could be in Ny and something happen Calif and it is fault. i hope he stay lucky and win, because all on hear keep saying he is only lucky and can't drive, i wish i can luck into the powerball numbers.


7th man is allowed over the wall but "ONLY" to help the driver, water or windshield tear-off.... that's why JJ got away with it and Kenseth didn't....

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I remember hearing the crew chief saying they know about the seventh man over the wall when on the five minute clock, i think Johnson tell that seventh man to jump over wall, when we hate a driver he could be in Ny and something happen Calif and it is fault. i hope he stay lucky and win, because all on hear keep saying he is only lucky and can't drive, i wish i can luck into the powerball numbers.


7th man is allowed over the wall but "ONLY" to help the driver, water or windshield tear-off.... that's why JJ got away with it and Kenseth didn't....



That's the kind of rules that has got NASCAR to where it is today.....in the toilet.

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I still haven't figured out why Johnson wasn't penalized for having a lug nut installed outside of his pit box.


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I still haven't figured out why Johnson wasn't penalized for having a lug nut installed outside of his pit box.


because that was a judgement call

kind of like Harvick not being penalized for being guilty of the same infraction Truex, Jr. was penalized for.

Now, just imagine you shoveled out $400 for tickets for your family/friends and you're a Truex, Jr. fan. And you watched that. And then thought.... wtf?!? I could watch that on TV and be pissed off. And have $400 in my bank account. And then wonder of wonders, you tune in the next day on Sirius to maybe hear clarification and explanation and the NASCAR shills on Sirius tell you that's just the rules. Sometimes they bite you. Sometimes they don't.

And there you are, out $400 plus time expended and asking yourself WTF just happened? What you going to do with that $400 next time it's up for spending?

Take your time, it's a judgement call :crackup:

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I still haven't figured out why Johnson wasn't penalized for having a lug nut installed outside of his pit box.


because that was a judgement call

kind of like Harvick not being penalized for being guilty of the same infraction Truex, Jr. was penalized for.

Now, just imagine you shoveled out $400 for tickets for your family/friends and you're a Truex, Jr. fan. And you watched that. And then thought.... wtf?!? I could watch that on TV and be pissed off. And have $400 in my bank account. And then wonder of wonders, you tune in the next day on Sirius to maybe hear clarification and explanation and the NASCAR shills on Sirius tell you that's just the rules. Sometimes they bite you. Sometimes they don't.

And there you are, out $400 plus time expended and asking yourself WTF just happened? What you going to do with that $400 next time it's up for spending?

Take your time, it's a judgement call :crackup:


A call that you see about every Saturday night though out the entire USA... the Judgement call.... nothing new... I agree, Harvick should have been penalized too, but it didn't make any difference anyway he didn't win... Truex was penalized and he did win... your bitching about nothing....need another shovel?

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I still haven't figured out why Johnson wasn't penalized for having a lug nut installed outside of his pit box.


NASCAR stated that was a safety deal, and they were already at the end of the line anyway because it took so long so nothing would have changed... that one I understood...

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That's the kind of rules that has got NASCAR to where it is today.....in the toilet.[/quote]

I believe there has always been a rule of how many over the pit wall as long as I can remember... Also, this was the fourth time in three races that it was used... only difference was, because it wasn't one of the stars, no one cared... :roll:

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That's the kind of rules that has got NASCAR to where it is today.....in the toilet.


I believe there has always been a rule of how many over the pit wall as long as I can remember... Also, this was the fourth time in three races that it was used... only difference was, because it wasn't one of the stars, no one cared... :roll:[/quote]

The problem is the "extra man" clause.

NO. Do what you need with the number allowed.


It's like the silly body measurement rules, where the rule is X inches, but it can be X +.1. Stupid, said it was stupid years ago when they started that crap, and they are still struggling with it.

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We got to remember, it is only a problem when Johnson is involved, I just realized all the problems in nascar is because of Johnson, In the driver meeting it was discuss about over the wall, a team broke the rule and it is the 48 fault, i love the 78 but if he don't win this year, we have the 48 to blame.

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but don't call me Johnson!

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That's the kind of rules that has got NASCAR to where it is today.....in the toilet.


I believe there has always been a rule of how many over the pit wall as long as I can remember... Also, this was the fourth time in three races that it was used... only difference was, because it wasn't one of the stars, no one cared... :roll:


The problem is the "extra man" clause.

NO. Do what you need with the number allowed.


It's like the silly body measurement rules, where the rule is X inches, but it can be X +.1. Stupid, said it was stupid years ago when they started that crap, and they are still struggling with it.[/quote]

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And now your reaching for an issue.... it is as clear as it needs to be, the guy that went over the wall in Kenseth's instant just got excited and was trying to help... the rule is clearly written and they (the crews and crew chiefs) are well aware of it..... now, if you were wanking about Truex getting penalized and Harvick not, then I could understand... no that was a crap call..... :annoy:

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Going back to my original post, the severity of the penalty to Kenseth compared to the minor penalties Logano and Hamlin got is crazy. Both were caught winning races with illegal rear end modifications and basically nothing was done about it. Hamlin had already had qualified for the playoffs so his penalty was nothing. Logano hasn't run good since the penalty, he had 25 other races to get himself into the playoffs but apparently needs that tricked out rear end in order to go fast. So really he wasn't penalised much as I doubt he would have made it through the first round.

Parking Kenseth because of one extra man over the wall was a joke. I would have had no problem with it if they held him a lap or two but to basically end his season midway through a race is minor league.


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Going back to my original post, the severity of the penalty to Kenseth compared to the minor penalties Logano and Hamlin got is crazy. Both were caught winning races with illegal rear end modifications and basically nothing was done about it. Hamlin had already had qualified for the playoffs so his penalty was nothing. Logano hasn't run good since the penalty, he had 25 other races to get himself into the playoffs but apparently needs that tricked out rear end in order to go fast. So really he wasn't penalised much as I doubt he would have made it through the first round.

Parking Kenseth because of one extra man over the wall was a joke. I would have had no problem with it if they held him a lap or two but to basically end his season midway through a race is minor league.



You're just out of touch. You shouldn't watch no more. Oh, and it's JJ's fault :wave:


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Space Potato wrote:
Going back to my original post, the severity of the penalty to Kenseth compared to the minor penalties Logano and Hamlin got is crazy. Both were caught winning races with illegal rear end modifications and basically nothing was done about it. Hamlin had already had qualified for the playoffs so his penalty was nothing. Logano hasn't run good since the penalty, he had 25 other races to get himself into the playoffs but apparently needs that tricked out rear end in order to go fast. So really he wasn't penalised much as I doubt he would have made it through the first round.

Parking Kenseth because of one extra man over the wall was a joke. I would have had no problem with it if they held him a lap or two but to basically end his season midway through a race is minor league.



You're just out of touch. You shouldn't watch no more. Oh, and it's JJ's fault :wave:


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YEAH!!!

It's always been like that! Don't watch if you don't like it! NASCAR is blameless! Go Busches! Oh, and it's JJ's fault!

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this is JJ's fault too :crackup:


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and to Space Potato

your original post, the severity of the penalty....

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Going back to my original post, the severity of the penalty to Kenseth compared to the minor penalties Logano and Hamlin got is crazy. Both were caught winning races with illegal rear end modifications and basically nothing was done about it. Hamlin had already had qualified for the playoffs so his penalty was nothing. Logano hasn't run good since the penalty, he had 25 other races to get himself into the playoffs but apparently needs that tricked out rear end in order to go fast. So really he wasn't penalised much as I doubt he would have made it through the first round.

Parking Kenseth because of one extra man over the wall was a joke. I would have had no problem with it if they held him a lap or two but to basically end his season midway through a race is minor league.


Actually, the penalties for Kenseth and Logano were the same, both were taken out of the championship run, Kenseth for their infraction and Logano for his... And for the record, neither driver did anything wrong, they don't make the calls and they don't work on the cars... they just get to be the recipients ..... And JJ isn't running good enough for anything to be his fault... If Larson doesn't blow up , JJ's gone....

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I'm a Hamlin guy, and I said at the time he should have lost the win.

I'm not like some Busch lover that says NASCAR never does no wrong.

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I don't think it can recover

For the first time this year, the big bowl of silver grandstands at the race track that hugs the Tennessee-Virginia state line was packed. Last weekend, nearly 157,000 people flocked to Bristol Motor Speedway, just like the old days – a spectacle, for sure. The big difference was that they were not there to watch a stock-car race, but a college football game.

We attended that game. I've got pictures from the glory days. A lot of them. I enjoyed that game, but it made me sad. A fucking football game at a race track and it had more people for the game than it had had for a race for at least four years. A lot more.

Ed Hinton is an Earnhardt hating douche-bag, but mostly in this article, he's got the overall sentiment right. Comparing NASCAR fans that loved Dale to angry blue collar workers is an insult - and slight - to both.

Btw, he penned a very very hate-filled anti-Earnhardt article that appeared in the Orlando Sentinel the weekend of the 2001 Daytona 500. I remember reading it Sunday morning, over breakfast at my BIL's house in Orlando. Dale had less than ten hours to live, although I didn't know it at the time. He pissed off Earnhardt, not sure what (or when) it was. He alluded to it after Big E died, but never gave specifics.

It's nice to see his douche-baggery still lives to this day. The analogies and all. He is a piece of shit, and he always will be as far as I'm concerned.

Anyway, fuck him. But the gist of the article has merit.

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I don't think it can recover

Anyway, fuck him. But the gist of the article has merit.


Much agreeance.....sadly. Even though it's from over a year ago, quite a few truths remain.

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Hinton is the scum that ran the fake stories from unnamed shop workers. F him.

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